Little FI-ers: Is Education Everything? Planning And Saving For Our Kids

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Is Education Everything?

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“Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.” – Nelson Mandela

The Education Dilemma

Mr. MoneyPenny and I have two young boys and our oldest is starting Senior Kindergarten this year. Mini MoneyPenny is probably typical in many ways–super energetic and full of joy, but he’s also a bit of an anxious kid–very hard on himself and turning thoughts over and over in his head. So after 15 months at home with him I went back to work and we put him in a small beautiful daycare that was peaceful, cozy, and nurturing. He flourished there and we breathed a big sigh of relief that we didn’t totally mess up our first major decision for him. But now he’s four–time to hit the big leagues of ‘big kid school.’

I’m panicking. I couldn't exactly put my finger what was bothering me so much about my little guy going to ‘real' school. After some navel gazing I realized that it’s because I know just how important education is. It was likely one of the major contributors to Mr. MoneyPenny and I going from lower-middle class immigrant kids to professionals with good jobs. It’s certainly not everything, but being able to move ‘up’ economically in one generation on the shoulders of our education certainly colors our perspective as to how important it can be. (Sidebar: apparently this whole concept is also known as intergenerational economic mobility and it’s a real thing–check out the box).

So what does this mean in terms of school for our boys in these early years? And what does it mean for any kind of an education fund for post-secondary opportunities?

Looking At Primary Schools With A FI Lense

In our city there are lots of good schools–public, private and independent. A knee jerk reaction could be to find the school with the best standardized test scores, university entrance rates or some other measure. And then, regardless of price, sign Mini MoneyPenny up. But since we are trying to reach financial independence (FI), we are hoping that perhaps there is another way that we could look at this. Let’s go back to basics–what’s education really for anyways? There are many perspectives on this and different approaches might be right for different families. For us, we are hoping that a school education:

  • Nurtures the joy of learning something new;
  • Fosters curiosity and creativity;
  • Gently teaches ‘grit’ and perseverance to achieve a goal;
  • Allows for the forming and navigating of social relationships; AND
  • Positions for financial stability/success.

This means that there are many things that we hope a school education will be for Mini MoneyPenny–but only one is about financial success. It’s funny because going back to the history of where Mr. MoneyPenny and I came from you’d think that financial security was the primary goal of education.

But our kids will now have the luxury of coming from a family that’s on the road to FI. Perhaps there is a way that we can take care of the financial stability piece so that we can concentrate on some of the other things.

We did some research on a local independent school with lots of great features and reputation. The cost would be about $16,400 per year (sadly, this cost is actually comparable to daycare). Another way one could look at this would be to see what it would look like if instead of paying this for this independent school, we invested in low cost index funds and sent him to public school?

Comparison of Primary School Costs

 Independent SchoolPublic School
Tuition$15,600
Application/Other Fees$800
Before/After School Care$5,000
Extracurricular/ Tutor$1,500
Total$16,400$6,000

The independent school has tuition fees and some extra fees that bring the total to just over $16K. For public school there would be a cost for before and after school care (ie. Since it ends at 3 pm and we work until about 5 pm). I also added a little extra to the public school costs in case we have to pay for some out of pocket tutoring, and the independent school includes some extra curricular activities that we would have to pay for. But the net of public vs. private would be approximately $10,000 each year that could go into index funds.

If we invested that $10,000 each year for five years, earning an average of 6%, that would come to approximately $75,588. If at that point we stopped contributions and just let it grow for another 25 years, the balance would be around $292,387.

Wow!

This means that even if Mini MoneyPenny didn’t contribute anything else to this fund, he would have just under $300K by age 30. He would be well on his way to FI!

Not Everything Is About The Money

After many discussions, lots of research and even some financial modelling and projections, we realized that sometimes decisions like these are more than just about the money. Earlier I listed out some of the goals that we had around education that weren’t financial in nature. What we have come to realize is:

  1. Sometimes directly comparing schools or education choices is not possible. This is because one cannot look at these options independently–it matters what your child is like and how she/he might interact with this option. For example, our public school may have some issues or concerns that could threaten several of our objectives for our spirited little guy. These issues are obviously not a big deal for many kids who I’m sure are doing just fine there, but for Mini MoneyPenny the consequences could be significant.
  2. It’s all about choices. I outlined in a previous post that despite our age and life-stage that we still have tenants living in our house. Their rent more than covers the added cost of choosing an independent or (some) private schools.
  3. Living without regrets. As parents we know that we are bound to make our fair share of mistakes. For us, we just want to follow our hearts and minds and know that we did and gave the very best that we could for our boys. We asked ourselves, “if money was no object, what would be the best fit for Mini MoneyPenny?”

All this to say that as of today we are signing up for MiniMoneyPenny to attend this great, nurturing independent school. Of course, it’s not September yet and so there’s still time for us to analyze and obsess some more!!!

Fast Fast Forward Beyond High School

There certainly is some debate as to whether parents should be saving for their kids potential post-secondary education and if so, how much. Not wanting to get too much into this discussion I can say that for Mr. MoneyPenny and I, we do know that we want to save something for the boys. For us it basically comes down to trying to provide options for them–whether it be for university, college, trade school or something else. We also want to be able to support them if they decide to go the entrepreneurial route, which would not be part of the scope of traditional education plans/funds.

So what is this going to look like for us? First thing that we wanted to do was get a ballpark idea of how much a standard four-year degree might cost. Where we live it looks something like this:

  • Tuition: assuming inflation rate of 4.5% ($7500/yr today)
  • Room and Board: assuming 2% inflation rate ($10K/yr today)

This is estimated to be over $130K for a four-year degree by the time Mini MoneyPenny turns 18. For us, a reasonable target could be $100K (yikes!) This amount would leave room for Mini MoneyPenny and eventually Baby MoneyPenny to make up any shortfall and their spending money with their own savings.

Now, how on earth are we going to get to that? This is where the power of time and compounding comes in. Our plan is to take advantage of an investment vehicle available to parents where we live that is designed to help families save for their children's post-secondary education. This mechanism has two great features–firstly, it gives us access to a Federal Grant Program, and secondly, it's a way to generate tax-deferred income. Without getting too much into the details of the program itself the math is outlined in the table below. From birth to age 13, we are going to try to save $2500 per year (around the minimum required to get the government grant) and with the government grant invest into low cost index funds.

At age 13, we will have maxed out access to the grant and so at that point we will likely switch mechanisms to a tax-deferred vehicle which allows for growth on one’s investment tax-free. This mechanism also has the advantage that it does not have to be used for education and so could provide flexibility for us to support Mini and Baby MoneyPenny on whatever paths that they choose for themselves.

Now, I know that investing almost $50,000 over the course of 18 years is not trivial, but we are going to try to make it a priority. With access to the grant of about $7,000 and the power of compounding, our investment is estimated to pretty much double to over $100,000. Seems like a pretty good return on investment to me 🙂

Take Action!

  • If you have kids, perhaps take some time to reflect and discuss with your significant other what the objectives are for their education
  • Make a plan to match your finances with these objectives
  • Do some research to see if there are any potential grants, subsidies or other mechanisms that might help in your savings plan. Do some research on the right investment vehicles too.
  • Start early! As we all know, time is everything when it comes to saving
  • Don’t beat yourself up. We are all trying to do our best for our families–sometimes this means prioritizing and making hard choices. An education fund is a luxury–remember, your kids just want you to be present and love them!

Points for Discussion:

Does this seem like a reasonable plan? What are some of your objectives for your kids’ education? What does your plan look like to help them get there?

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Little FI-ers: Is Education Everything? Planning And Saving For Our Kids

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4 thoughts on “Little FI-ers: Is Education Everything? Planning And Saving For Our Kids

  1. I would recommend that you check out Bryan Caplan’s new book, “The Case Against Education” (https://www.amazon.com/Case-against-Education-System-Waste/dp/0691174652)

    You might also consider reading “Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids” (https://www.amazon.com/Selfish-Reasons-Have-More-Kids/dp/0465028616)

    TL;DR – The message of the first book is that no school is going to satisfy the goals that you outlined. The message of the second book is that you can relax because that doesn’t matter: between the genes you’ve passed on and the loving environment you are obviously providing, you have already done all that you can realistically expect to do to promote your child’s future success.

    On the other hand, as you say, it is not all about money. If you’re serious about asking yourself what you would do if money were no object, why not consider homeschooling? You may not be able to influence who your children become to any great extent, but you can definitely change how they feel about their parents. If what you want is to spend time with your kids, be there as they grow up, learn about them as they learn about themselves, it’s going to be a lot harder if they are spending the majority of their days with other people.

    • Mr. Butter Passing Robot – Thanks for the comment and the book recommendations. Your first book recommendation certainly has an intriguing title and from a quick glance at the summary and reviews, it seems as though I might agree with the author on some points. Before I continue, I should confess that I have spent a lot of time in higher education. However, even from my own experience I can certainly point to many things that could be improved/changed. Now having been in the workplace for a while, I know that much of the content that I studied is not a part of my daily work. That being said, I do think that I owe my ability to tackle complex problems and critically synthesize information to my training as a biomedical scientist. Even my ability to identify an issue and articulate an argument likely comes from my times on the ‘hot seat’ defending my research to my peers and mentors. But as this book might be suggesting, hard to say if this all came from my education. And more broadly, this does not mean that it might be the best route for everyone. Your second recommendation sounds super interesting too – again, being a bit of a science gal, you had me at ‘genes’! Will see if I can check that one out too. Finally, the idea of homeschooling. Honestly, I had not even really been exposed to it before plugging into the FI community. On occasion I am intrigued at the prospect – I appreciate you bringing it forward as an option. Gonna think on that one a bit ☺ Thanks again.

  2. Love your plan and thoughtful treatment of this issue! One future situation you might want to think about—it happened to us, so I want to pass this along so you don’t find yourself in a similar situation— your kiddo might not find his fit at your state school. Perhaps this might be due to his social/emotional needs for a smaller environment, perhaps due to wanting to study a field that is only “meh” or not offered at all at your state school…the list goes on. And you, as a parent who values your kid’s education and other needs to fully reach his potential, want to provide the best you can…so the take home message is to seriously look at the costs of other “good fit” schools as you observe your child developing as a student and person and have a backup plan if needed. Maybe you won’t need it and can keep those funds for your own FI, but having the option would be very nice, indeed!

    • Hello Lisa – thank you for your comment and for sharing your experience. I appreciate you confirming what we have had circling in our heads – Mini MoneyPenny may need a bit of extra guidance as he develops his social emotional skills. You also raised the idea that this could be only one of several reasons why our local school might not be the best fit for our little guy. I am also encouraged that if we can stay open minded and attuned to our little man that hopefully we can find the right school environment for him. You are wise to bring up the possibility that even the one school that we are thinking about now might not the best fit for all of his school years. Very helpful. Thanks again.

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